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2:46 pm April 5, 2011
| stormam
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BAMM looks way too much like RHD and IAR (yellow pages) to me. 25% FCF yield until it isn't. I guess the way I'd look at it is to ask if this company will be around in 6-7 years? If it generates 25% FCF for 4 years and has residual equity value, then you make good money. If it doesn't, you have a problem. The company has almost $100 million in payables but only $6 million in cash. This is fine because it has $200 million in inventory and a revolving credit facility. The problem with the revolver is it comes due in July 2011 and I haven't seen any update on this beyond the 3Q10 10-Q where it claims it is looking into refinancing this. After BKS, banks will not lend at the same rate, which will negatively impact the company's ability to fund itself (potentially).
Other questions: Why did it invest in Yogurt Mountian Holding, a soft-serve yogurt concept??
One thing I don't understand is why it advertises for the Nook on its webpage. Does it get a cut of eBook revenue sent through the website? That may be interesting.
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1:25 pm February 18, 2011
| Jae Jun
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Most definitely good news for BAMM as well as BKS.
If BGP closes 3000 stores, that's an instant market penetration increase right there for BAMM.
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12:34 pm February 16, 2011
| sunnymui
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Borders has filed for bankruptcy. A good thing for BAMM?
It's one less competitor. I wonder if this'll increase negative sentiment for the whole retail book industry.
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11:21 am May 31, 2010
| Jae Jun
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I highly doubt the iPad uesrs will be reading on their device. Far too much distraction for them to sit down and read something when they could be playing games or surfing.
The real threat was AMZN pushing publishers to release $10 ebooks, but that has changed now. Apple made the change to increase ebook prices and publishers followed suit and AMZN lost the fight which is why you see $30 ebooks now.
With increased prices, BAMM will also increase their profits as well.
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9:54 am May 31, 2010
| kai fann
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I agree with all of the analysis. BAMM is a cheap stock. It is trading at 50% of its intrinsic value. It was on my buy list until I came across an article on WSJ 5/21/10: ebook rewrite bookselling.
In that article, there are serious concerns regarding the traditional bookseller business model:
1. while ebooks only comprised of 3-5% of market, there are fast accelerating the decline of physical books, forcing retailers, publishers, authors, and agents to reinvent their business model.
2. with advent of Apple ipad adding 120 million of itune subscribers, ebook has cross the chasm and it will further accelerate the decline of physical books.
3. ebooks require no printing, paper, storage space, delivery truck, and sell less than half of physical book. If physical book sales decline precipitously, chain retailers won't have enough revenue to support the stores.
4. Leonard Riggio, chairman and the largest share holder in Barnes & Nobles, says in the article, "a different Barnes & Nobles retail will evolve, selling a variety of merchandise and serving as showcase of digital products." It sound to met that they are looking for a profitable business model. Isn't BAMM also try to add Yogurt store to have the shopper better experience?
5. Mr. Mike Shatzkin, chief executive of Ideal Publishing consultant says this about the brick-mortar retailers, "Their time is limited. I can't see anything but sales continue to erode, and probably at an accelerated pace."
While I agree that traditional bookstore will not go away, but the digital revolution has turned its business model upside down. In my opinion, the market values these companies correctly. They are value traps.
I am taking Bamm off the buying list.
Kai fann
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8:27 pm May 19, 2010
| Jae Jun
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Funny how things turn out.
BAMM has been the only bright spot in my portfolio lately. Getting absolutely murdered being exposed to too much risk.
KSWS is also up huge on insider buying. Of course they had to buy when I no longer hold them.
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1:27 pm May 5, 2010
| Jae Jun
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I'm not particularly fond of family ownership as well.
Looking back, K-Swiss most likely fit the value trap category but that company also depends heavily on fashion + retail. Both heavily fickle.
But the difference is that BAMM sells products that are mainstream and suited towards every age. It isn't a niche so there should be more chances for value to be realized.
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12:05 pm May 5, 2010
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Jae,
I view inside ownership as a positive – if the personal net worth of management is tied up in company stock, obviously they have strong incentive to outperform.
However, I've been under the assumption that too much mgmt ownership, especially concentrated in something like a family trust, could be detrimental if things start going awry. In such a situation, it would be very hard for an other shareholders to lobby for the changes necessary to unlock intrinsic value, right?
Just something to think about..
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9:50 am May 5, 2010
| Jae Jun
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@ Ankit
Thanks for the analysis. Didn't think of it that way. Looks like the frozen yogurt is gaining popularity outside of asia as well now. Yogurt stores are popping up in many places in Seattle as well.
Originally I had thought that BAMM was purchasing the yogurt franchise to open within their superstore, much like how Barnes and Nobles has their own cafe.
I'll have to dig around to see but other than that I have no problems with the company. As long as fundamentals remain intact, management doesn't go on a store opening spree, and keeps the balance sheet tight, I'm in.
@DrSues,
Can value be realized… hmm…
I was thinking hard about that one as well. Going through what a value trap is:
- BAMM is a bookstore mainly so there is no fad. Good.
- Insiders own a lot so interests are aligned. Good.
- Fundamentals are consistent. Good.
From a Quality, Value, Growth standpoint, BAMM lacks the growth aspect. So Quality and value gets a tick on my book. Which is good enough for me.
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8:45 pm May 3, 2010
| DrSues02
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Jae,
I get a DCF valuation of $12.05 and EPV of $13.97 after making my adjustments, so seems cheap. The question as usual is can this value be realized?
Company also pays a dividend that is yielding 3.2% as well.
Going through the proxy, BAMM is a family run company – the Anderson family holds > 52% of outstanding shares. Do you think this hinders its ability to reach its true value?
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9:05 pm May 2, 2010
| ankitgu
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If we use the Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory as a similar (RMCF) company for valuation purposes, we can come up with some numbers:
2008 retail sales revenue was $1.8M with 5 retail stores, or about $300k/store. EBIT on this $1.8M was approximately $76,000, or 4.2% of revenue. Yogurt has 2 stores, let's call it $600k/revenue total, and EBIT of $25,000. They're paying 180 times EBIT right now with a $4.5M premoney valuation.
If this $3M lets them open 7 more stores, projected revenue could be $2.1M, and projected EBIT $88,000. That's a price/EBIT ratio of 85.
The real money comes from scaling the operation – design 1 store, use the same menu at each, consolidate administrative functions like VP's, etc., get better pricing on your ice cream, etc. and you could probably get earnings up significantly.
BAMM has basically acted as an investor here because they believe this will work. If the business works and franchises start opening up, I don't have any doubt that they can make this valuation seem very low. Startups are tricky in general and there's a lot of risk, but if you do the math of hitting 80-100+ retail stores, they probably believe that if they can scale it to that much, the overhead they expense to just 2 stores will be significantly reduced and costs will be lowered too, allowing them to increase the earnings quite a bit.
Basically all startups have this "hockey stick curve" in them at some point. If they hit it, this kind of investment could see a 10x. VC's setup funds for this, make 10 investments, and they believe each will hit that 10x, but in reality, only 1 will, if that. Some turn out to be 4-5x'ers, and some they just get an average return or they go to 0.
Venture Capital has the same basic principles of due diligence, but it involves a higher degree of speculation based on what you think the business will do in the future.
I could go on and on about venture capital, but I think most value investors would choke trying to make any investment in that space.
With that, I leave you folks, because I need to go and get some ice cream now.
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4:38 pm May 2, 2010
| Jae Jun
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That's the BIG red flag for me at the moment.
2 stores for $3m??? And since the franchise only sells frozen yogurt, there is no way it costs that much to even open a single store. $3m for 40% so the total franchise is worth $7.5m… I don't buy it.
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6:24 pm May 1, 2010
| infinitee00
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Here's another look at BAMM from Seeking Alpha.
http://seekingalpha.com/user/5…../instablog (you have to scroll down)
Frankly I didn't like the valuation of Yogurt mountain at $3M in cash for 2 stores !! You wonder what were this guys thinking. But it seems Yogurt mountain may be using this cash to expand and open more stores. I hope this wasn't a family favor since both companies are based in Alabama. Only time will tell whether it was a good investment or not.
The fact that insiders – The Anderson family has a considerable stake in the company is a positive I forgot to mention in the last post although that can also lead to corporate governance issue.
Btw, same store sales figure or revenue/sq feet metric for BAMM is conveniently absent from the 10K. That's a very important metric for retail stores and that's a visibility i would have liked to see in the 10k.
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3:00 pm May 1, 2010
| Jae Jun
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Likes
Many of the same reasons you wrote.
- consistent
- looking at the balance sheet, everything is well managed
- not a lot of intangibles
- reduction of debt which means lower interest expense
Dislikes
- What is the minority stake in a yogurt franchsie with only 2 stores about?
- Flat revenues for 5 years (but not too much of a concern)
- nothing much from a numbers view
I too was thinking whether this could be a value trap but a value trap is only when the fundamentals continue to deteriorate and the prices comes down to the value.
In this case, BAMM hasn't been growing much but they are not deteriorating. At current prices, BAMM should be able to reach intrinsic value of around $13.
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6:12 pm April 30, 2010
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Thats a great coincidence. I arrived at a very similar valuation (DCF of ~$15 ..using a FCF of 13m and a conservative 8% growth rate, Graham of around $7.4 using $0.7 and 8% GR). I bought it last week, although I wish I had waited for the pull back after it went up sharply from ~$7 to $8+ in the last few weeks. But then again, as a value investor, timing the market has never been my forte !!
Yes, I understand that there's risk from people moving to e-content but I think most traditional bookstores have diversified their business enough and looking at different revenue streams. Just as coffee makers and espresso machines won't drive Starbucks out of business, IMHO Kindle or Ipad won't drive traditional bookstores out of business (atleast not in the short term)
What I like about BAMM
- undervalued from DCF perspective (of course !!)
- Low LT debt (esp. from bonds which expire in 2019)
- Low store closing costs
- prudent management
What I don't like about BAMM though is
- Revenues have been stagnant for the last 5 years ~ $500-$550M (although the fact that they have managed to keep revenues steady in the recession should be a good indicator)
- Operating margin ~4-5% although, again to be fair, is at par with other B&M book sellers.
- business with no moat (which should be no surprise from it operating margin numbers) with intense competition from more well established companies.
- cash balance has reduced significantly during 2008-2009 from 2007 and earlier
This was a pure value play for me and it may take a while for BAMM to reach it's proper valuation ( given it's track record during the last 10 years I hope this doesn't become a value trap for me).
Would also like to know your thoughts on BAMM as well.
-Regards
Ranajit
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1:35 am April 30, 2010
| Jae Jun
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BGP and HAST have risen substantially and so I was looking for something similar but cheap.
BAMM is also a brick and mortar book store but the valuation looks cheap.
I dont believe book stores will disappear. The kindle is definitely making it easier for people just purchase a book online but books are much different to newspapers, i.e. people still like to read on paper.
Valuation wise, gross, operating and net marings are quite steady. The company didn't do too badly in the recession either and fiscal 2009 ended pretty similar to 2006 levels.
So DCF I get $13 using FCF of $12m because it seems like CAPEX was underspent by $10m.
Graham with EPS of $0.89 and 3.4% growth is $8.24. This assumption is close to zero growth.
EPV: $15.81 on the default $36.3m normalized income. Throughout the past 5 years, the income as adjusted is stable at the mid $30m mark so I'm comfortable with $36.3m
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