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7:03 am
May 14, 2011


DeepValueInvestor

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Another way to focus your research time is to follow the stock picks of other succesful value investors Laughing :

http://www.coattailcorner.com

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8:43 am
April 16, 2011


Jason

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Wouldn't that formula be double counting the cash on hand? I thought excess cash would be whatever cash is left on hand after funding the gap between non-cash current assets and current liabilities:

 

Excess Cash = Total Cash – MAX(0, Current Liabilities – (Current Assets – Total Cash))

 

Whereas the formula:

 

Excess Cash = Total Cash – MAX(0, Current Liabilities – Current Assets)

 

would mean that a company with $100 in cash, $50 in other current assets (e.g. inventory, A/R) and $70 in current liabilities will have:

 

Excess Cash = $100 – MAX(0, $70 – $150) = $100 – $0 = $100

 

This doesn't make any sense since we know that we'll need more than $50 in non-cash assets to offset the current liabilities and thus should have less than the total cash on hand as the true amount of excess cash:

 

Excess Cash = $100 – MAX(0, $70 – ($150 – $100)) = $100 – MAX(0, $20) = $80

 

Eager to learn.

7:28 pm
April 14, 2011


Discountvalue

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Thank you Jae for your reply. We really appreciate your knowledge.

10:08 am
April 12, 2011


Jae Jun

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excess cash = total cash – MAX(0,Current Liabilities – Current Assets)

This will give you the total cash left over that is not required to run the operations.

8:42 pm
April 11, 2011


Discountvalue

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Does anyone know how to calculate 'Excess Cash' and would you discount the excess cash to present value after so many years or would you just use the current value of excess cash and add it to the present value of future cash flows? Can excess cash be found on the balance sheet? Thank you!

4:16 am
November 23, 2010


Ashley Wilis

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hi,

Well I like to know who to learn or compare the market statistic, I want to learn it,  Can any one help me in this … :)

12:46 pm
August 10, 2010


Strawberry Investor

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Post edited 8:21 pm – August 10, 2010 by Strawberry Investor


 Of course you

are right, that’s what investing is all about, trying to assign price tags to

securities. I try to come up with a price that seems to be reasonable. Your

spreadsheets are just great!

I want to explain why I believe this screen is going

to make me really happy in the long run .Smile

I have read about your rationale creating the negative

enterprise screen EV= MCap + Debt – Excess Cash ; meaning  a company with negative EV is likely to

deliver some nice returns in hard times, when  debt collectors are busy visiting companies.

So therefore I tried to implement this trough a low level of debt and a quick

ratio {(AccR+C&CE)/Curr Liab} of  > 0.8

Then Bruce Greenwald emphasizes that competition will

drive ROIC down to Cost of Capital(WACC), that’s a 12% discount rate  for an average company with low levels of debt

and low business risk. It’s the government bond rate + equity premium. I

therefore assumed that ROIC should have been at least near the upper range in

the past. So the company should have been at least earning its Cost of Capital.

And the third section, as you pointed out, is about

having a company operating in a favorable industry with a worthwhile  operating margin.

And finally  I want

them to be cheap. I use PSR instead of P/E to come close to earnings from doing

business, because the gap between net earnings and operating earnings is filled

with items not deriving from the daily business. The “E” in the P/E can  go up and down with no changes in the real

business itself. Simply take a quick look at Motorola (MOT) and you will

see  the EBIT margin has been up more

than the operating margin for a couple of years.

So what I tried to do was to come up with a screen

where the DCF analysis is already “built in”. Now in my view the only variable

of importance left is  the growth rate.

All great investor from Bill Ackman to Berkowitz and Co. all mention that in

environments like this and the upcoming most likely quality business will do

well, in essence just keep doing what Buffett  has been doing.

So far the results since 06/21/10 are as follows:

BVF +38                 NE

+7                     UEPS -3

TNH +26                VPHM

+6               MNDO -8

CPHI +16              TBV

+6  

ALIF +16                FRX

+5                   Overall: + 12   S&P500: +1

BIIB +16                ATW

-0.4

 

The time period is just to short, but it seems to work

pretty well.

Jae take a look at the chart of e.g. TNH or NE . It

seems as if this screen grabs them at the right point just when  the air goes out.

Do you have an idea how to screen for Owner Earnings

growth?

Sorry  for

taking up so much space.

 

Best wishes Mike

7:51 am
August 10, 2010


Jae Jun

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Hi Strawberry Investor

Welcome to the value investing club.

The screen that you have is a very good start. From the inputs you have described, I would expect the screen to display results where the companies have low debt, good operating strength and company advantages.

The downside with such a screen is that the companies will not be cheap and if you go and just buy any of them, you will most likely overpay for the investment.

 

When it comes to buying stocks, the price is the deciding factor in the end.

A great company could be a bad investment if the price is too high. On the other hand, a horrible company could be a great investment if the stock price offers a huge reward for the risk.

6:29 am
August 10, 2010


Strawberry Investor

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Hi everybody

I am quite an unexperienced newbie and haven't yet really made any big investments and I see my desicion making skills to be little bit flawed so I tried to design a screen to compensate for the most of my weaknesses in judgement, I mean I don't go out and just buy the whole screen but I am trying to have the odds on my side in the first place. So I would really appreciate if somebody could give me some additional feedback for further improvments and find possible flaws in my logic. I would love to discuss my thought process.

 

 

So this is how I believe  I can have the odds on my side ( I use the Zacks Screener):

 

D/E <= 0.3

QuickRatio>=0.8

OPMargin TTM>=25

ROI 5 Year Av >=11

ROI TTM > 1

P/S Ratio <= 3

 

I am following this screen for about 2 months and its doing quite well, of course that doesn't mean much, but it seems to be quite recession proof .

 

Thanks in advance.

 

2:59 am
September 26, 2009


Jae Jun

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Feel free to discuss or ask about any value investing concept such as asset allocation, when to sell, where to find stocks, which screens to use etc etc.

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