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Value Investing Applied to Bonds

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6:31 pm
August 4, 2010


MrBook

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This is MrBook; I am a big fan of http://www.efalken.com . I suggest watching his videos on his new book "Finding Alpha". Read his new book too. In the research section he used to design and work in credit risk management. Perhaps anything that Eric said you will find helpful. I think Eric did a wonderful job of debunking most of the conventional theories that populate the financial market place. I hope that helps.

 

6:59 pm
August 2, 2010


somrh

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In this thread, I hope we can examine some information/explore hypotheses regarding value investing as applied to bonds. To get things started, I found this pdf which appears to be a presentation given by Altman (if you know the original source of this information, let me know… I still haven't read any of Altman's papers yet.)

The Use of Credit Scoring Models and the Importance of a Credit Culture

There seems to be a lot of interesting information in the presentation (which I've only given a good skim) but I would like to point out, in particular, page 9. It gives the mean and SD Z-Score for each bond rating. There's a pretty solid relationship. The question I have is whether or not Z-Score adds something new to the credit score. This leads me to propose the following hypothesis for consideration.

Suppose I look at a particular investment class of bonds (say BB rated). Each firm in the BB rated class will have a Z-score and there is a distribution of Z-scores. Suppose I select only those firms which have high Z-score (say above 3). Will the default rates be lower than the whole class of BB scores? Secondly, will bond prices/interest rates already have accounted for this fact? (to wit, is market efficiency not going to allow me to profit from this difference?)

Stated differently, can I improve bond returns by selecting high risk/high reward bonds (meaning low credit rating) that have high Altman Z-score (low risk)?

If anyone has insight or knows of such research I'd be interested.

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