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BBW – Build-a-Bear Workshop

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7:27 pm
November 23, 2009


Jae Jun

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smo001 makes a good point about the cash burn, but if FCF is positive as it was in 2007 and 2008, the company should be able to survive the downturn.

For the parameters, I think I used a growth rate of 0%, discount rate of 15% and adjusted the last years FCF to $6m. The jump in FCF is a bit strange to me so I kept it do the median.

I can't really remember other value traps but I think KSWS may have been my very first value trap. Based on previous fundamentals and results, it looked cheap but the company could'nt improve because there just wasn't any demand for their shoes.

Basically anything where the intrinsic value drops to meet the low stock price is considered a value trap. It's also dependent on your buy price.

BBW at current price could be a value trap while BBW at $1 would be an excellent investment.

2:02 pm
November 23, 2009


smo001

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I'm new to posting on this forum but I do like what Jae has done….keep it up….

as for BBW…I owned this stock earlier this year and read all the financials…it is an undervalued company (thinking Walter Schloss method would work..still might!!) but the problem is, as Jae mentioned, it is a fad and it will "probably" continue to burn cash. I used the word probably because I cannot predict the future but in an economy where everyone is holding onto their money I have trouble understanding why people would pay a premium price for a stuffed animal and accessorize it.  Granted management has been trying to implement initiatives to turn the ship around I just have trouble seeing it happen.

In WEB's biography "Snowball," he mentions how retail companies do not make for good investments because they are always a fad and it's very hard to build a sustainable moat such as Wal-Marts.

Now do not let my words deter you from investing in BBW because my crystal ball is broken and I have been slow on getting it fixed.  BBW may come back or get bought out by the likes of Toys'R'US. Who knows??? Good luck with your decision.

6:45 am
November 23, 2009


alanabel

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Thanks Jae – still learning how to use your spreadsheets. 

Just curious – which parameters did you adjust to get your numbers above?

Also – what are some other value trap examples that you've seen in the past/present?

12:43 am
November 23, 2009


Jae Jun

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Reviewing some numbers and making some adjustments I get the following

EPV=$6.44 which is much less than the asset value. This means management does a horrible job of running the business and/or the company operates without any advantages, which is obvious.

Graham=$10.20

DCF=$8.44

Current price = $4.55

So in this scenario there are a few things to consider.

First, I don't like toy companies, especially as a turnaround. It's tough enough as it is when it's a leader but a turnaround will be just as difficult.

The reason is that parents buy their kids only 1 of the same toy. I don't believe many parents or kids would want more than 1 bear, no matter how much they customized it.

This leads me to think whether it is a fad. Is it like Heely's or Crocs? Interesting concept as it kept catching on but get tiring and eventually non existent.

So you have to consider whether it is a value trap. These specialty companies are the hardest to determine. Unless BBW was trading at less than liquidation value, I wouldn't be interested.

Fundamentals isn't on the great side but that's expected for a play like this.

Price will meet value but there are two ways that could happen.

1. Stock price goes up to its intrinsic value

2. Intrinsic value comes down to its current stock price.

It's something that you have to decide after reading and studying the company, rather than take my 5min guess at it.

10:23 pm
November 22, 2009


alanabel

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Running this through Jae's 5Y spreadsheet -

Net Reprod Cost=15.42

EPV=26.99

Graham=56.65

DCF=25.51

Current Price=4.55 (11/20/09 close)

What are your thoughts on this one ? 

From the above numbers it looks pretty good, but the market is kicking it to the curb.

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