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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to see what happens tomorrow. My stop loss is set.</description>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JaeJun I don&#039;t know if this pasting will work, but here is an article I thought was of interest re: Augustus Oliver.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/activist-hedge-fund-returns-wane-their/story.aspx?guid=%7B8BB93ED9-82C1-4D6F-A016-36F1971C46A1%7D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JaeJun I don&#8217;t know if this pasting will work, but here is an article I thought was of interest re: Augustus Oliver.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/activist-hedge-fund-returns-wane-their/story.aspx?guid=%7B8BB93ED9-82C1-4D6F-A016-36F1971C46A1%7D" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.marketwatch.com/news/story/activist-hedge-fund-returns-wane-their/story.aspx?guid=_7B8BB93ED9-82C1-4D6F-A016-36F1971C46A1_7D&amp;referer=');">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/activist-hedge-fund-returns-wane-their/story.aspx?guid=%7B8BB93ED9-82C1-4D6F-A016-36F1971C46A1%7D</a></p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cerner (CERN) Vital Images (VTAL) and of course Siemens (SI) could be enticed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cerner (CERN) Vital Images (VTAL) and of course Siemens (SI) could be enticed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not get Accipiter on the phone.

Seems that the acquiring company usually loses value during a merger, to go up later after the acquisition realizes better business.  So I&#039;m just assuming that HSSO went down, as the acquirer, and now that its not taking on that responsibility, it&#039;s gone up.  I don&#039;t think anything is fishy there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not get Accipiter on the phone.</p>
<p>Seems that the acquiring company usually loses value during a merger, to go up later after the acquisition realizes better business.  So I&#8217;m just assuming that HSSO went down, as the acquirer, and now that its not taking on that responsibility, it&#8217;s gone up.  I don&#8217;t think anything is fishy there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... I see..

I rang EMAG but they didn&#039;t pick up. What&#039;s also interesting is that HSSO is up 40%. Up just as much as EMAG is down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I see..</p>
<p>I rang EMAG but they didn&#8217;t pick up. What&#8217;s also interesting is that HSSO is up 40%. Up just as much as EMAG is down.</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JaeJun, I will tell you more of the conversation, but there is nothing terribly specific.  

I did not ask Gus anything other than my main interest:  Are you still in?  Knowing he&#039;s got board seats I realized he couldn&#039;t/wouldn&#039;t speak confidentially anything with me.  We commiserated a bit about how disappointing this was.  When I asked him if they had sold he exclaimed &quot;We CAN&#039;T sell!&quot; so I got the sense that he wished he could&#039;ve.  Which could mean his frustration is prior to this morning, that maybe he knew somethings about the deal which prevented him from selling.  His comments on it falling through indicated disappointment with SIBL but acknowledged the strange and unfamiliar environment that all are in.  He did say they now move on to Plan B.  I did not ask if B included SIBL, or not.  I did not ask if there was also a Plan C.  I left him with my name/phone/email if there was anything I could do in coordination with his Oliver Press Partners trying to get this company to make better shareholder value.

Then we went over a bit about how it iS a good business idea that has yet to make as good a business as it could be with good shareholder value in as vague and polite of words as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JaeJun, I will tell you more of the conversation, but there is nothing terribly specific.  </p>
<p>I did not ask Gus anything other than my main interest:  Are you still in?  Knowing he&#8217;s got board seats I realized he couldn&#8217;t/wouldn&#8217;t speak confidentially anything with me.  We commiserated a bit about how disappointing this was.  When I asked him if they had sold he exclaimed &#8220;We CAN&#8217;T sell!&#8221; so I got the sense that he wished he could&#8217;ve.  Which could mean his frustration is prior to this morning, that maybe he knew somethings about the deal which prevented him from selling.  His comments on it falling through indicated disappointment with SIBL but acknowledged the strange and unfamiliar environment that all are in.  He did say they now move on to Plan B.  I did not ask if B included SIBL, or not.  I did not ask if there was also a Plan C.  I left him with my name/phone/email if there was anything I could do in coordination with his Oliver Press Partners trying to get this company to make better shareholder value.</p>
<p>Then we went over a bit about how it iS a good business idea that has yet to make as good a business as it could be with good shareholder value in as vague and polite of words as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MKL
Did Gus mention anything else?

@ Jim
The market sure takes people for a ride.

@ John
Until SIBL changes their mind or EMAG pursues other action, I have to consider the deal dead. I haven&#039;t found anything else and although the language is unclear, no point in hoping I guess. I&#039;ll have to monitor what happens in the next few days and find an exit.

@ Ken
I read through their website and I couldn&#039;t find any real warning signs. Sure their returns may be too consistent but I don&#039;t think that had to do with the deal. There must be something else going on that we don&#039;t know about.

@ All
Depending on what transpires over the next couple of days, I&#039;ll probably be taking a huge 50% loss. The risk in risk arbitrage played out and I should have taken the chips off the table when something smelt fishy yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MKL<br />
Did Gus mention anything else?</p>
<p>@ Jim<br />
The market sure takes people for a ride.</p>
<p>@ John<br />
Until SIBL changes their mind or EMAG pursues other action, I have to consider the deal dead. I haven&#8217;t found anything else and although the language is unclear, no point in hoping I guess. I&#8217;ll have to monitor what happens in the next few days and find an exit.</p>
<p>@ Ken<br />
I read through their website and I couldn&#8217;t find any real warning signs. Sure their returns may be too consistent but I don&#8217;t think that had to do with the deal. There must be something else going on that we don&#8217;t know about.</p>
<p>@ All<br />
Depending on what transpires over the next couple of days, I&#8217;ll probably be taking a huge 50% loss. The risk in risk arbitrage played out and I should have taken the chips off the table when something smelt fishy yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad news for sure. I guess the one lesson I have learned is that I probably did not do enough due diligence on the parties involved with the purchase. More in depth reading of SIBL&#039;s website and reports might of set off more flags had I done so. I am holding my position for the interim.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ken’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://compoundinglife.com/?p=89&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WSC Dividend Increase&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad news for sure. I guess the one lesson I have learned is that I probably did not do enough due diligence on the parties involved with the purchase. More in depth reading of SIBL&#8217;s website and reports might of set off more flags had I done so. I am holding my position for the interim.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Ken’s last blog post..<a href="http://compoundinglife.com/?p=89" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/compoundinglife.com/?p=89&amp;referer=');">WSC Dividend Increase</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1534</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the misunderstanding before... I sold half at the open this morning.  I got greedy and broke one of my arb rules for the first time.  For mergers that I have any skepticism at all, I always sell into the closing date.  Got greedy yesterday when the spread did not close closer to the buyout price and paid for it just like the rest of you.

Jae
I noticed on your twitter post that SIBL backed out.  Did you find any more information other than Emag&#039;s initial press release or are you speculating that they have backed out entirely?  The only news I have found this morning is the release saying that SIbl is not expected to provide funding for the merger to close today.  (which PROBABLY means they have backed out)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the misunderstanding before&#8230; I sold half at the open this morning.  I got greedy and broke one of my arb rules for the first time.  For mergers that I have any skepticism at all, I always sell into the closing date.  Got greedy yesterday when the spread did not close closer to the buyout price and paid for it just like the rest of you.</p>
<p>Jae<br />
I noticed on your twitter post that SIBL backed out.  Did you find any more information other than Emag&#8217;s initial press release or are you speculating that they have backed out entirely?  The only news I have found this morning is the release saying that SIbl is not expected to provide funding for the merger to close today.  (which PROBABLY means they have backed out)</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1533</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine too. I thought about selling last week but decided not to. I more angry at myself for advising 3 other people who bought significant shares and lost. I&#039;m done giving advice to anyone for this year. The market is way to unpredictable to be giving advice. A value investor is hard pressed to make a good decision right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine too. I thought about selling last week but decided not to. I more angry at myself for advising 3 other people who bought significant shares and lost. I&#8217;m done giving advice to anyone for this year. The market is way to unpredictable to be giving advice. A value investor is hard pressed to make a good decision right now.</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1532</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just spoke with Gus Oliver at Oliver Press.  They do still own all their shares.  They are, as he said, &quot;still all in.&quot;  They are still on the board after getting their board seats in a proxy fight last summer.  And they are still fully committed to increasing value.  He, too, is frustrated, but not out.  He spoke of many of the aspects we have spoken about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just spoke with Gus Oliver at Oliver Press.  They do still own all their shares.  They are, as he said, &#8220;still all in.&#8221;  They are still on the board after getting their board seats in a proxy fight last summer.  And they are still fully committed to increasing value.  He, too, is frustrated, but not out.  He spoke of many of the aspects we have spoken about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jim
Can feel your disappointment. What a surprise.. My fault for being too greedy and trying to milk the last drop out of it.</description>
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Can feel your disappointment. What a surprise.. My fault for being too greedy and trying to milk the last drop out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1530</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, I am interested to know what Oliver Press Partners did with their shares, as well as Accipiter Capital.  Did THEY sell yesterday in that cliff drop?  Were they warned?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I am interested to know what Oliver Press Partners did with their shares, as well as Accipiter Capital.  Did THEY sell yesterday in that cliff drop?  Were they warned?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over 90,000 share were sold yesterday in a few transactions. I&#039;m very interested to find out if insider trading occurred. I would like to see a class action lawsuit. I lost roughly $10,000. Not to happy today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 90,000 share were sold yesterday in a few transactions. I&#8217;m very interested to find out if insider trading occurred. I would like to see a class action lawsuit. I lost roughly $10,000. Not to happy today.</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1528</link>
		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the flu, don&#039;t have all my faculties.  I am going to let this sit.  But I want to say congratulations to you, John, on your sell yesterday, and that it&#039;s nice for me in it&#039;s own way to not have been in this alone.  EMAG did say HSSO said SIBL could not provide the financing &quot;today&quot;.  Not trusting their disclosure timing, at this point.  Doesn&#039;t seem the intentions of their disclosures HAVE been in their stockholders&#039; best interests, no reason to think they will all of a sudden start operating in their stockholders&#039; best interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the flu, don&#8217;t have all my faculties.  I am going to let this sit.  But I want to say congratulations to you, John, on your sell yesterday, and that it&#8217;s nice for me in it&#8217;s own way to not have been in this alone.  EMAG did say HSSO said SIBL could not provide the financing &#8220;today&#8221;.  Not trusting their disclosure timing, at this point.  Doesn&#8217;t seem the intentions of their disclosures HAVE been in their stockholders&#8217; best interests, no reason to think they will all of a sudden start operating in their stockholders&#8217; best interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alll I can say is wow. I did not sell as well. Really contemplated it but did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alll I can say is wow. I did not sell as well. Really contemplated it but did not.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I agree with you John. I think all the bad news is factored in at this point. It can only go up some from here...as for disclosure--I did not sell any of my shares yesterday and am paying for it now. Really hoping for more clarification from EMAG on the new developments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I agree with you John. I think all the bad news is factored in at this point. It can only go up some from here&#8230;as for disclosure&#8211;I did not sell any of my shares yesterday and am paying for it now. Really hoping for more clarification from EMAG on the new developments.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might as well wait it out a bit here.  The selling today should be a bit overblown.  I would not be surprised to see a bit of a rebound off these lows.  Remember, the company is not worthless.  In full disclosure, I sold half my position and will hold the other half until some more news comes out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might as well wait it out a bit here.  The selling today should be a bit overblown.  I would not be surprised to see a bit of a rebound off these lows.  Remember, the company is not worthless.  In full disclosure, I sold half my position and will hold the other half until some more news comes out.</p>
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		<title>By: MKL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno.  Im bummed.  Didnt want to hold this stock to see what it could do.  

They are entitled to 9m.  They do have a valuable service.  However they have not been too very good at the business of making money with their service.  I had the misfortune of not being able to sell at any reasonable loss this morning so now I am looking at a HUGE one.  Not much to do now.  The decision to hold it (-----) or sell at this terrible loss is not going to be that much different right now, or a few hours from now.  

I do think someone else will want them.  I don&#039;t know if I am prepared to wait for that to take place.  I do not think without a merger or a change in the board that they will be much better at making money than they have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno.  Im bummed.  Didnt want to hold this stock to see what it could do.  </p>
<p>They are entitled to 9m.  They do have a valuable service.  However they have not been too very good at the business of making money with their service.  I had the misfortune of not being able to sell at any reasonable loss this morning so now I am looking at a HUGE one.  Not much to do now.  The decision to hold it (&#8212;&#8211;) or sell at this terrible loss is not going to be that much different right now, or a few hours from now.  </p>
<p>I do think someone else will want them.  I don&#8217;t know if I am prepared to wait for that to take place.  I do not think without a merger or a change in the board that they will be much better at making money than they have been.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrei</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/special_situation/emag-deal-is-sibl-another-madoff/comment-page-1/#comment-1523</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do you think will happen now with this whole thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you think will happen now with this whole thing?</p>
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