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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/graham-net-net-stock-insmed-insm/comment-page-1/#comment-3374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Niles,

I agree with a lot of what you said. My comments are in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/forum/value-stock-idea/tsr-inc-tsri-another-net-net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TSRI forum section&lt;/a&gt;. Floris also provided some excellent comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Niles,</p>
<p>I agree with a lot of what you said. My comments are in the <a href="http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/forum/value-stock-idea/tsr-inc-tsri-another-net-net/" rel="nofollow">TSRI forum section</a>. Floris also provided some excellent comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae, what is your stance on TSRI?  Do you own any positions or are you looking to open one?  You said that it and INSM are the only true net nets that you have found.  From my cursory analysis it seems to be another company that was hit hard by the recesssion, but unlike many other companies it hasn&#039;t come up much off it it&#039;s lows.  This is despite the fact that the company still has positive earnings, the business appears to be solid (other than the macro environmental issue of the recession), the company has no risk of going out of business and of course its current net net valuation.

INSM is something I am very intrigued by, but TSRI seems to be a safer net net opportunity because any sort of significant appreciation in the stock price doesn&#039;t rely on any major event (i.e. M&amp;A, drug trial/approval etc.)  All TSRI has to do is continue to do business as usual and in 12-18 months I would think it should be trading at $3.50-$4.00.

What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae, what is your stance on TSRI?  Do you own any positions or are you looking to open one?  You said that it and INSM are the only true net nets that you have found.  From my cursory analysis it seems to be another company that was hit hard by the recesssion, but unlike many other companies it hasn&#8217;t come up much off it it&#8217;s lows.  This is despite the fact that the company still has positive earnings, the business appears to be solid (other than the macro environmental issue of the recession), the company has no risk of going out of business and of course its current net net valuation.</p>
<p>INSM is something I am very intrigued by, but TSRI seems to be a safer net net opportunity because any sort of significant appreciation in the stock price doesn&#8217;t rely on any major event (i.e. M&amp;A, drug trial/approval etc.)  All TSRI has to do is continue to do business as usual and in 12-18 months I would think it should be trading at $3.50-$4.00.</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/graham-net-net-stock-insmed-insm/comment-page-1/#comment-3372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ Floris,&lt;/strong&gt;

Yes the high inventory is why I discount it. It&#039;s because the more specialized the inventory is, the more you have to discount it, not because the company is in a bad situation.

Im sure you are well aware that after 1 year, the current inventory will be sold at cheap prices even in retail stores. Golf equipment and styles change so quickly that the price is never sustainable.

So my argument is that while ADGF may have tangible assets, the margin of safety will erode even quicker.

INSM has cash which they could easily burn, but there is a chance that it could make a return. Can&#039;t say the same about golf clubs though. The only direction club prices move is down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ Floris,</strong></p>
<p>Yes the high inventory is why I discount it. It&#8217;s because the more specialized the inventory is, the more you have to discount it, not because the company is in a bad situation.</p>
<p>Im sure you are well aware that after 1 year, the current inventory will be sold at cheap prices even in retail stores. Golf equipment and styles change so quickly that the price is never sustainable.</p>
<p>So my argument is that while ADGF may have tangible assets, the margin of safety will erode even quicker.</p>
<p>INSM has cash which they could easily burn, but there is a chance that it could make a return. Can&#8217;t say the same about golf clubs though. The only direction club prices move is down.</p>
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		<title>By: Floris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jae Jun

It is due to the high inventory of ADGF that you measure the liquidation value being only 2,66. This assumes the company is in dire straits and will need to liquidate these assets at low prices. This is not the case for ADGF. The golf clubs are great and would most likely sell at or near cost.  

The issue I have with ISM is that I have no clue about the business and the golf business is much easier to understand. Furthermore I personally know they make great golf clubs, which makes me doubt that they will go under (I am considering buying adams hybrids because they are better than the major brands). 

The risks for ADGF are much more tangible whereas the risks for pharma are more difficult to understand. Pharma can have a tendency to waste cash and reduce cash exceptionally quickly. This is not the case for a consumer manufacturer, the expected outcome is much easier to estimate. 

All in all the risk/reward ratio for is easier for me to understand and increases the confidence level (circle of competence)

reg,

Floris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jae Jun</p>
<p>It is due to the high inventory of ADGF that you measure the liquidation value being only 2,66. This assumes the company is in dire straits and will need to liquidate these assets at low prices. This is not the case for ADGF. The golf clubs are great and would most likely sell at or near cost.  </p>
<p>The issue I have with ISM is that I have no clue about the business and the golf business is much easier to understand. Furthermore I personally know they make great golf clubs, which makes me doubt that they will go under (I am considering buying adams hybrids because they are better than the major brands). </p>
<p>The risks for ADGF are much more tangible whereas the risks for pharma are more difficult to understand. Pharma can have a tendency to waste cash and reduce cash exceptionally quickly. This is not the case for a consumer manufacturer, the expected outcome is much easier to estimate. </p>
<p>All in all the risk/reward ratio for is easier for me to understand and increases the confidence level (circle of competence)</p>
<p>reg,</p>
<p>Floris</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank. Hoping for a great deal on this one.
Give it enough time for people to realize what a mistake they&#039;ve made. Until then, keep an eye on company news and any related information. The 10-Q is out as well I believe.

Will have to look into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank. Hoping for a great deal on this one.<br />
Give it enough time for people to realize what a mistake they&#8217;ve made. Until then, keep an eye on company news and any related information. The 10-Q is out as well I believe.</p>
<p>Will have to look into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frankv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frankv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 19:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jae, I took a chance on 100 shares of INSM @ 0.85. Let&#039;s hope for good luck.  What price would you bail out at if it drops.     Also do you have any idea of what is going on with Bershire Hathaway B.   BRK-B.              Thanks,   frankv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jae, I took a chance on 100 shares of INSM @ 0.85. Let&#8217;s hope for good luck.  What price would you bail out at if it drops.     Also do you have any idea of what is going on with Bershire Hathaway B.   BRK-B.              Thanks,   frankv</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/graham-net-net-stock-insmed-insm/comment-page-1/#comment-3339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ Ken,&lt;/strong&gt;

Yea I read that part as well but it isn&#039;t specific about how much is in investment grade securities.

I agree that the company won&#039;t go bankrupt anytime soon though. I just need to get up to date about the history of the company and the involvement of the Italian government.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Todd,&lt;/strong&gt;

I found it really hard to even find a true net net but if you know of any, I&#039;ll be very interested to know. Feel free to jot it down in the forums so that we can keep track.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Phil,&lt;/strong&gt;

Thanks for the additional info. I&#039;m not too familiar with what IPLEX does but your info helps.

I hope RBC will do something beneficial rather than just try to collect their own payment.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Floris,&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;ve known about ADGF for aquite a while but it was never an attractive net net for me. And using the same method I did for INSM, ADGF is still above the NNWC. Current price is $2.99 but the liquidation value is $2.66 so its over net net value by 33c.

I&#039;ve been going through so many deep value stocks but INSM and TSRI are the only true net nets Ive found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ Ken,</strong></p>
<p>Yea I read that part as well but it isn&#8217;t specific about how much is in investment grade securities.</p>
<p>I agree that the company won&#8217;t go bankrupt anytime soon though. I just need to get up to date about the history of the company and the involvement of the Italian government.</p>
<p><strong>@ Todd,</strong></p>
<p>I found it really hard to even find a true net net but if you know of any, I&#8217;ll be very interested to know. Feel free to jot it down in the forums so that we can keep track.</p>
<p><strong>@ Phil,</strong></p>
<p>Thanks for the additional info. I&#8217;m not too familiar with what IPLEX does but your info helps.</p>
<p>I hope RBC will do something beneficial rather than just try to collect their own payment.</p>
<p><strong>@ Floris,</strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known about ADGF for aquite a while but it was never an attractive net net for me. And using the same method I did for INSM, ADGF is still above the NNWC. Current price is $2.99 but the liquidation value is $2.66 so its over net net value by 33c.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been going through so many deep value stocks but INSM and TSRI are the only true net nets Ive found.</p>
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		<title>By: Floris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Floris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae Jun, I believe there are quite a few other net nets out there trading at a more comfortable discount to current asset value. Some of these firms (adgf for example) trade at a much steeper discount, have easier business to value and probably more upside. It looks risky imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae Jun, I believe there are quite a few other net nets out there trading at a more comfortable discount to current asset value. Some of these firms (adgf for example) trade at a much steeper discount, have easier business to value and probably more upside. It looks risky imho.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insmed has a breakeven cash flow due to cost reimbursement from IPLEX use in Italy for ALS patients there.  The Italian govt. has been reimbursing Insmed for IPLEX for about 2.5 yrs now for its citizens with ALS and this is why IPLEX is now being used in the US by approx. 13 patients with FDA approval.  Insmed and FDA are monitoring these patients closely as a significant percentage of the Italian ALS patients showed either improvement in their symptoms or no further progression of the disease once on Iplex.  Iplex has also shown great promise in ROP, severe burns, short stature in children ( for which it is currently FDA approved), and several other indications.  It is NOT just IGF-1.  Iplex is Igf-1 plus BP3 and the binding protein-3 is what makes it unique and especially effective.  Hopefully RBC will negotiate a deal with a company to buy Insmed and utilize Iplex for the betterment of those who need this drug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insmed has a breakeven cash flow due to cost reimbursement from IPLEX use in Italy for ALS patients there.  The Italian govt. has been reimbursing Insmed for IPLEX for about 2.5 yrs now for its citizens with ALS and this is why IPLEX is now being used in the US by approx. 13 patients with FDA approval.  Insmed and FDA are monitoring these patients closely as a significant percentage of the Italian ALS patients showed either improvement in their symptoms or no further progression of the disease once on Iplex.  Iplex has also shown great promise in ROP, severe burns, short stature in children ( for which it is currently FDA approved), and several other indications.  It is NOT just IGF-1.  Iplex is Igf-1 plus BP3 and the binding protein-3 is what makes it unique and especially effective.  Hopefully RBC will negotiate a deal with a company to buy Insmed and utilize Iplex for the betterment of those who need this drug.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae, an interesting idea. Negative cash flow (they are probably earning 25 bp on s/t t-bills), and the hope for an accretive acquisition - or a promising technology? 

I think the net/net is great, but I see so many of these high cash biopharmas albeit INSM has sold assets to Merck. 

Interesting idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae, an interesting idea. Negative cash flow (they are probably earning 25 bp on s/t t-bills), and the hope for an accretive acquisition &#8211; or a promising technology? </p>
<p>I think the net/net is great, but I see so many of these high cash biopharmas albeit INSM has sold assets to Merck. </p>
<p>Interesting idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just did a quick scan of the quarterly. A couple of things I noticed...

1. SG&amp;A seems to have doubled. Any idea what the reason is?

2. They seem to have answered your question about the short term investments they have:

&quot;at June 30, 2009, had $122.8 million invested in money market instruments, treasury bills and municipal bonds.  Such investments are subject to interest rate and credit risk.  Our policy of investing in highly rated securities whose maturities at June 30, 2009 are all less than one year minimizes such risks.&quot;

3. The special dividend and/or share repurchase sounds good, but I get the feeling they wouldn&#039;t sell out the company to any bargain hunters, the anti take over provisions sound pretty good and it sounds like they want to grow the company through M&amp;A. 

Interesting stock for sure and if they are selling IPLEX for another 24 months that gives it some time. 



4.
.-= Ken&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://compoundinglife.com/igoi-should-i-stay-or-should-igo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IGOI: Should I stay or should IGO?&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just did a quick scan of the quarterly. A couple of things I noticed&#8230;</p>
<p>1. SG&amp;A seems to have doubled. Any idea what the reason is?</p>
<p>2. They seem to have answered your question about the short term investments they have:</p>
<p>&#8220;at June 30, 2009, had $122.8 million invested in money market instruments, treasury bills and municipal bonds.  Such investments are subject to interest rate and credit risk.  Our policy of investing in highly rated securities whose maturities at June 30, 2009 are all less than one year minimizes such risks.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. The special dividend and/or share repurchase sounds good, but I get the feeling they wouldn&#8217;t sell out the company to any bargain hunters, the anti take over provisions sound pretty good and it sounds like they want to grow the company through M&amp;A. </p>
<p>Interesting stock for sure and if they are selling IPLEX for another 24 months that gives it some time. </p>
<p>4.<br />
.-= Ken&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://compoundinglife.com/igoi-should-i-stay-or-should-igo/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/compoundinglife.com/igoi-should-i-stay-or-should-igo/?referer=');">IGOI: Should I stay or should IGO?</a> =-.</p>
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