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	<title>Comments on: ValueVision (VVTV) Still the Best Stock Under $1</title>
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		<title>By: The General</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2649</link>
		<dc:creator>The General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,

I would not assume anything with the market and VV in particular.  Recent mgmt change is good.  It signals the turn-around is in the next phase. It is now about execution.  The team they have put together is very capable of executing and delivering results that will drive the share price to new Hi&#039;s. (and I mean higher than the 52 wk sort of Hi)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p>
<p>I would not assume anything with the market and VV in particular.  Recent mgmt change is good.  It signals the turn-around is in the next phase. It is now about execution.  The team they have put together is very capable of executing and delivering results that will drive the share price to new Hi&#8217;s. (and I mean higher than the 52 wk sort of Hi)</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The General,

Yes I did see that. Upped to 2+ million shares from 44k is a huge jump. Seems like they are backing up the truck on VVTV. Also safe to assume that it was Great Oaks that has been the cause of the recent runup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The General,</p>
<p>Yes I did see that. Upped to 2+ million shares from 44k is a huge jump. Seems like they are backing up the truck on VVTV. Also safe to assume that it was Great Oaks that has been the cause of the recent runup.</p>
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		<title>By: The General</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2611</link>
		<dc:creator>The General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,

Great Oaks Capital filed 13G today.  Upped earlier position (44K shares) to 6.4% (2M+ shares).

Perhaps they know what they are doing..?

We shall see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p>
<p>Great Oaks Capital filed 13G today.  Upped earlier position (44K shares) to 6.4% (2M+ shares).</p>
<p>Perhaps they know what they are doing..?</p>
<p>We shall see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The General</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2605</link>
		<dc:creator>The General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,

If one believes that much of the success that can accrue to a company is a result of the people who work there; the management/consultant team assembled at VV have the experience and the credentials that will allow ShopNBC to be successful...even very successful.

When a CEO says he wants to double sales in 3-5 years and then double again in 3-5 years...it is just words...but when those words are backed up by the experience of a management/consultant team that did just that at QVC...seems it should be taken more seriously than $1.70/share....we shall see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p>
<p>If one believes that much of the success that can accrue to a company is a result of the people who work there; the management/consultant team assembled at VV have the experience and the credentials that will allow ShopNBC to be successful&#8230;even very successful.</p>
<p>When a CEO says he wants to double sales in 3-5 years and then double again in 3-5 years&#8230;it is just words&#8230;but when those words are backed up by the experience of a management/consultant team that did just that at QVC&#8230;seems it should be taken more seriously than $1.70/share&#8230;.we shall see</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I did look at that and the strategy looks good.

With most of the management coming from QVC, this is a play from the QVC book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I did look at that and the strategy looks good.</p>
<p>With most of the management coming from QVC, this is a play from the QVC book.</p>
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		<title>By: The General</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>The General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the VV Investor Presentation.  Sets out objectives to hit $1.1B Sales and 10%+ EBITDA margins in 3-5 years.  15x on $110M EBITDA in 5 yrs = $50/pps.  Discount back 5 years then cut that in half and you have a $14 stock...about where it priced the last time it published similar plans/objectives.....and that is a pessimistic discount.

This time could be different.  Mgt has much industry experience which was lacking before...and the economy appears to be improving vs an imminent/precipitous decline before.  Have also much better carriage arrangements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the VV Investor Presentation.  Sets out objectives to hit $1.1B Sales and 10%+ EBITDA margins in 3-5 years.  15x on $110M EBITDA in 5 yrs = $50/pps.  Discount back 5 years then cut that in half and you have a $14 stock&#8230;about where it priced the last time it published similar plans/objectives&#8230;..and that is a pessimistic discount.</p>
<p>This time could be different.  Mgt has much industry experience which was lacking before&#8230;and the economy appears to be improving vs an imminent/precipitous decline before.  Have also much better carriage arrangements.</p>
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		<title>By: The General</title>
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		<dc:creator>The General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 12:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,

Q now owns @34% of HSN.  They are precluded from taking majority until 2010 I believe.  Q &amp; H are fully distributed but expected to grow high single/low double digits when economy improves.  ShopNBC could grow 2-3x&#039;s their rate because they have 24M homes in which to add and the current 72M in which they can reintroduce themselves with lower price points and different merchandise than the past.

Q was valued at $14B in 2003 on sales of $4.2B....what would ShopNBC pps be with sales of $1.2B in a few years...and they would also be operating w/@10% EBITDA margin at that sales volume.?  That could be reality in 4-5 yrs.  Discount back and you can see that current pps is no where near where it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,</p>
<p>Q now owns @34% of HSN.  They are precluded from taking majority until 2010 I believe.  Q &amp; H are fully distributed but expected to grow high single/low double digits when economy improves.  ShopNBC could grow 2-3x&#8217;s their rate because they have 24M homes in which to add and the current 72M in which they can reintroduce themselves with lower price points and different merchandise than the past.</p>
<p>Q was valued at $14B in 2003 on sales of $4.2B&#8230;.what would ShopNBC pps be with sales of $1.2B in a few years&#8230;and they would also be operating w/@10% EBITDA margin at that sales volume.?  That could be reality in 4-5 yrs.  Discount back and you can see that current pps is no where near where it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2407</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 21:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the input The General. As you mentioned, VVTV does have the scale. With 72 million FTE&#039;s they are getting closer to their competitors.

Also, there is a rumor that QVC is trying to buy out HSNI and they have been accumulating HSNI shares in the mid $4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the input The General. As you mentioned, VVTV does have the scale. With 72 million FTE&#8217;s they are getting closer to their competitors.</p>
<p>Also, there is a rumor that QVC is trying to buy out HSNI and they have been accumulating HSNI shares in the mid $4.</p>
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		<title>By: The General</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/stock-analysis/valuevision-vvtv-the-best-cheap-stock-under-1/comment-page-1/#comment-2392</link>
		<dc:creator>The General</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 13:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the conf call it was said that VV does have the scale to move toward the operating metrics enjoyed by one of the &#039;players&#039; in the homeshop biz.  There are only 2 publicly traded players:  QVC and HSN.  Since the majority of the VV management team came from QVC, it is likely they are most familiar with the metrics used to guage the performance of QVC.  Those metrics are:  
Fixed Costs 7.5%
Variable Costs 10.50%
Product Cost 49%
Shipping 10%
EBITDA 23%
VV is not going to achieve those metrics for some time but if it moves toward those metrics and continues to move toward those metrics in a meaningful way it will move from being an undervalued &#039;value play&#039; to a &#039;growth story&#039;.

That &#039;growth story&#039; includes:
1)  Meaningful movement toward the above metrics Q by Q and YoY
2)  Growing its foot print from 72M homes to 96M homes over time with carriage fees that make economic/business sense
3) Capitalize on internet video to accelerate .com sales
4) Capitalize on mobile e-commerce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the conf call it was said that VV does have the scale to move toward the operating metrics enjoyed by one of the &#8216;players&#8217; in the homeshop biz.  There are only 2 publicly traded players:  QVC and HSN.  Since the majority of the VV management team came from QVC, it is likely they are most familiar with the metrics used to guage the performance of QVC.  Those metrics are:<br />
Fixed Costs 7.5%<br />
Variable Costs 10.50%<br />
Product Cost 49%<br />
Shipping 10%<br />
EBITDA 23%<br />
VV is not going to achieve those metrics for some time but if it moves toward those metrics and continues to move toward those metrics in a meaningful way it will move from being an undervalued &#8216;value play&#8217; to a &#8216;growth story&#8217;.</p>
<p>That &#8216;growth story&#8217; includes:<br />
1)  Meaningful movement toward the above metrics Q by Q and YoY<br />
2)  Growing its foot print from 72M homes to 96M homes over time with carriage fees that make economic/business sense<br />
3) Capitalize on internet video to accelerate .com sales<br />
4) Capitalize on mobile e-commerce</p>
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		<title>By: AlexG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too big on em either. Just so happens, CHCG was on the magic formula list for so long that I HAD to look ;)

Anyway, a bit more on Chinese stocks. I have looked through a number of them but always find them overvalued or &quot;hyped&quot; in some way. Take for example Baidu. Its by far the most well known company , gets ton of media attention, its CEO is on CNBC,etc... despite some aggressive valuations, still overvalued. I did fiind that there are some better known companies that own interest in Chinese companies. Potash (POT) for example owns a stake in the number one Chinese fertilizer company.

My .02. i apologize for any mispellings orrun-offs, but its early and I need some sleep

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;AlexG’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CVI/~3/j7edAAyq3b8/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BYD: Will America Buy It?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too big on em either. Just so happens, CHCG was on the magic formula list for so long that I HAD to look <img src='http://Cdn.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway, a bit more on Chinese stocks. I have looked through a number of them but always find them overvalued or &#8220;hyped&#8221; in some way. Take for example Baidu. Its by far the most well known company , gets ton of media attention, its CEO is on CNBC,etc&#8230; despite some aggressive valuations, still overvalued. I did fiind that there are some better known companies that own interest in Chinese companies. Potash (POT) for example owns a stake in the number one Chinese fertilizer company.</p>
<p>My .02. i apologize for any mispellings orrun-offs, but its early and I need some sleep</p>
<p><abbr><em>AlexG’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CVI/~3/j7edAAyq3b8/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/feedproxy.google.com/_r/CVI/_3/j7edAAyq3b8/?referer=');">BYD: Will America Buy It?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 06:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ AlexG&lt;/strong&gt;
Thanks for the heads up. A small growing company able to be FCF neutral is definitely worth a look but with what I am experiencing regarding Chinese companies and management, I&#039;m not too keen on placing anymore bets on these Chinese companies. Shareholders truly mean nothing to them. I&#039;ll definitely take a look though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ AlexG</strong><br />
Thanks for the heads up. A small growing company able to be FCF neutral is definitely worth a look but with what I am experiencing regarding Chinese companies and management, I&#8217;m not too keen on placing anymore bets on these Chinese companies. Shareholders truly mean nothing to them. I&#8217;ll definitely take a look though.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 13:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would make an argument for  China 3C Group (CHCG) but its not below $1.
The stock dropped 25% and is down from a recent high of $1.60 to a shade over $1.03. Still 7 cents x 4 would be 28 cents a share in a year... which for a $1.03 stock with about 55 cents a share in cash money. Also, cash flow positive

-Alex

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;AlexG’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CVI/~3/rQ-dK_fU4JY/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CVI: Top 50 Buy and Hold Bolgs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would make an argument for  China 3C Group (CHCG) but its not below $1.<br />
The stock dropped 25% and is down from a recent high of $1.60 to a shade over $1.03. Still 7 cents x 4 would be 28 cents a share in a year&#8230; which for a $1.03 stock with about 55 cents a share in cash money. Also, cash flow positive</p>
<p>-Alex</p>
<p><abbr><em>AlexG’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/CVI/~3/rQ-dK_fU4JY/" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/feedproxy.google.com/_r/CVI/_3/rQ-dK_fU4JY/?referer=');">CVI: Top 50 Buy and Hold Bolgs</a></em></abbr></p>
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