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		<title>By: Xyvern</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/valuation-methods/how-to-invest-research-valuation/comment-page-1/#comment-5037</link>
		<dc:creator>Xyvern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,
Thanks, I was wondering about this for a while now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,<br />
Thanks, I was wondering about this for a while now.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/valuation-methods/how-to-invest-research-valuation/comment-page-1/#comment-5031</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ Xyvern,&lt;/strong&gt;

Companies aren&#039;t required to file letter to shareholders. Hardly any do. AMZN is more of an exception so for the rest you should go to the company website and read it from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ Xyvern,</strong></p>
<p>Companies aren&#8217;t required to file letter to shareholders. Hardly any do. AMZN is more of an exception so for the rest you should go to the company website and read it from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Xyvern</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/valuation-methods/how-to-invest-research-valuation/comment-page-1/#comment-5027</link>
		<dc:creator>Xyvern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae,
Thanks for the response. Yes I do download the 10K either from SEC or the company&#039;s investor relation. Let me give you an example, I have DIVX 2009 10K in pdf. I look through it but can&#039;t find the &quot;Letter to the Shareholder&quot;. But for Amazon, it&#039;s on the first page of the 10K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae,<br />
Thanks for the response. Yes I do download the 10K either from SEC or the company&#8217;s investor relation. Let me give you an example, I have DIVX 2009 10K in pdf. I look through it but can&#8217;t find the &#8220;Letter to the Shareholder&#8221;. But for Amazon, it&#8217;s on the first page of the 10K.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/valuation-methods/how-to-invest-research-valuation/comment-page-1/#comment-5017</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Xyvern,
If the company doesn&#039;t file it with the sec, the easiest way is to go to the investor relations section on their website. Companies always post the pdf of their annual report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Xyvern,<br />
If the company doesn&#8217;t file it with the sec, the easiest way is to go to the investor relations section on their website. Companies always post the pdf of their annual report.</p>
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		<title>By: Xyvern</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/valuation-methods/how-to-invest-research-valuation/comment-page-1/#comment-5014</link>
		<dc:creator>Xyvern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read couple 10K reports but the strange thing was I couldn&#039;t find the letter to shareholders on any of the companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read couple 10K reports but the strange thing was I couldn&#8217;t find the letter to shareholders on any of the companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
		<link>http://www.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/valuation-methods/how-to-invest-research-valuation/comment-page-1/#comment-4618</link>
		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 07:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl,

For small cap companies, you&#039;d be surprised as to how easy it is to talk to the CEO or CFO. Just a little badgering and you get through real easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl,</p>
<p>For small cap companies, you&#8217;d be surprised as to how easy it is to talk to the CEO or CFO. Just a little badgering and you get through real easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post from Ernie, but I think the most difficult part of the research is the &quot;Scuttlebutt&quot;. I would image that for an average private investor like myself there will be no chance that I can talk to a senior executive and ask those questions Ernie mentioned on his post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post from Ernie, but I think the most difficult part of the research is the &#8220;Scuttlebutt&#8221;. I would image that for an average private investor like myself there will be no chance that I can talk to a senior executive and ask those questions Ernie mentioned on his post.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess one thing you could do is just take the incremental PPE (i.e. the growth capex you calculated using this method) and calculate depreciation assuming a useful life equal to the average useful life of the company&#039;s PPE (not always explicitly stated, but you can get a ballpark estimate from the notes).  If you add this to the original maintenance capex calculation, I think you&#039;ll have a better estimate.  You could additionally do some adjustments to account for inflating costs etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess one thing you could do is just take the incremental PPE (i.e. the growth capex you calculated using this method) and calculate depreciation assuming a useful life equal to the average useful life of the company&#8217;s PPE (not always explicitly stated, but you can get a ballpark estimate from the notes).  If you add this to the original maintenance capex calculation, I think you&#8217;ll have a better estimate.  You could additionally do some adjustments to account for inflating costs etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jae Jun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jae Jun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ Planmaestro,&lt;/strong&gt;
I wish I knew as well but learning never ends :)

&lt;strong&gt;@ Matt,&lt;/strong&gt;
I must admit that if Ernie follows all this, he leaves me in the dust in the amount of work. I usually have a good idea of the value after 10min or so and then it&#039;s a matter of whether the business is good enough for the price to meet value rather than vice versa.

I usually read a couple annual reports and quarterly reports. But on the analysis side, I will go through as many quarterly reports and annual reports as possible, examining each line item and looking at trends.

I also try to think as out of the box as possible and businessman.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Michael,&lt;/strong&gt;
I do agree. I&#039;ve looked into trying to change the formula myself but failed after weeks of trying.

The only time you do get in trouble with valuation is when you severely understate maintenance capex, so it would be more prudent to just take the full capex except for certain industries where the maintenance capex has to be calculated.

Do you have any ideas on a new calculation? I will be very interested to see what your idea is.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Mechanonuke,&lt;/strong&gt;
Ernie really took the time to write all this up for me. He told me he is writing a paper on uncertainty and risk which I will have the pleasure of reading, and I&#039;ll ask whether he can put it up.

He hasn&#039;t written anything else, but I sure would love him to send me more stuff as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ Planmaestro,</strong><br />
I wish I knew as well but learning never ends <img src='http://Cdn.oldschoolvalue.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>@ Matt,</strong><br />
I must admit that if Ernie follows all this, he leaves me in the dust in the amount of work. I usually have a good idea of the value after 10min or so and then it&#8217;s a matter of whether the business is good enough for the price to meet value rather than vice versa.</p>
<p>I usually read a couple annual reports and quarterly reports. But on the analysis side, I will go through as many quarterly reports and annual reports as possible, examining each line item and looking at trends.</p>
<p>I also try to think as out of the box as possible and businessman.</p>
<p><strong>@ Michael,</strong><br />
I do agree. I&#8217;ve looked into trying to change the formula myself but failed after weeks of trying.</p>
<p>The only time you do get in trouble with valuation is when you severely understate maintenance capex, so it would be more prudent to just take the full capex except for certain industries where the maintenance capex has to be calculated.</p>
<p>Do you have any ideas on a new calculation? I will be very interested to see what your idea is.</p>
<p><strong>@ Mechanonuke,</strong><br />
Ernie really took the time to write all this up for me. He told me he is writing a paper on uncertainty and risk which I will have the pleasure of reading, and I&#8217;ll ask whether he can put it up.</p>
<p>He hasn&#8217;t written anything else, but I sure would love him to send me more stuff as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Mechanonuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mechanonuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best methodology article I&#039;ve read in a long while. Really resonates with me.

IMO this is probably how the buffett limited partnership valued the &quot;Generals&quot; in the 50&#039;s/60&#039;s.  Anyone else concur?

Has Ernie written anything else?  Perhaps on bond valuations? or Special situations?

Thank you
d</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best methodology article I&#8217;ve read in a long while. Really resonates with me.</p>
<p>IMO this is probably how the buffett limited partnership valued the &#8220;Generals&#8221; in the 50&#8217;s/60&#8217;s.  Anyone else concur?</p>
<p>Has Ernie written anything else?  Perhaps on bond valuations? or Special situations?</p>
<p>Thank you<br />
d</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I&#039;ve never liked about calculating growth capex as (PPE / sales) * sales growth is that it underestimates maintenance capex.

For example, suppose you had two historical periods with sales of 100 and 200, PPE of 10 and 20, and an average life of 10 years on PPE. Also assume that there is no inflation to make things simple, i.e. you can buy PPE at the same cost every year.  So that capex in each of the first two years would be 1 and 2 (PPE of 10 and 20 depreciated straight line over 10 years).  Now suppose your estimation of a normalized period&#039;s sales is 250.  Total capex is 7 (depreciation of 2 on the original 20 of PPE, incremental 5 of PPE purchased to support the increase in sales).  Using the process outlined, you would calculate growth capex as 5 and you would net this out against the full capex amount which would leave you with maintenance capex of 2.  However this is clearly understated as it ignores the maintenance costs for the incremental 5 dollars of PPE that you need for the normalized sales level.  In this case, you should have projected a maintenance expense of 2.5 per year.

In certain cases (depending on things like the average lives and replacement costs of PPE) this estimation can become even worse.  I&#039;m not disagreeing that a certain amount of expenses should be eliminated for a no-growth valuation, but I think the formula needs to be adjusted a bit.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve never liked about calculating growth capex as (PPE / sales) * sales growth is that it underestimates maintenance capex.</p>
<p>For example, suppose you had two historical periods with sales of 100 and 200, PPE of 10 and 20, and an average life of 10 years on PPE. Also assume that there is no inflation to make things simple, i.e. you can buy PPE at the same cost every year.  So that capex in each of the first two years would be 1 and 2 (PPE of 10 and 20 depreciated straight line over 10 years).  Now suppose your estimation of a normalized period&#8217;s sales is 250.  Total capex is 7 (depreciation of 2 on the original 20 of PPE, incremental 5 of PPE purchased to support the increase in sales).  Using the process outlined, you would calculate growth capex as 5 and you would net this out against the full capex amount which would leave you with maintenance capex of 2.  However this is clearly understated as it ignores the maintenance costs for the incremental 5 dollars of PPE that you need for the normalized sales level.  In this case, you should have projected a maintenance expense of 2.5 per year.</p>
<p>In certain cases (depending on things like the average lives and replacement costs of PPE) this estimation can become even worse.  I&#8217;m not disagreeing that a certain amount of expenses should be eliminated for a no-growth valuation, but I think the formula needs to be adjusted a bit.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much time do you (Ernie and Jae both) generally spend researching an idea that you end up investing in, or get close but don&#039;t pull the trigger (eg. you go through most/all of the process)?

Gathering the SEC filings (even is you use 10-K Wizard), reading the 3 shareholder letters, 3 MD&amp;A&#039;s, and even a cursory scan of the notes scanning other filings &amp; sections for accounting changes, and an automated spreadsheet analysis of financials, proxies, other information sources... 

What I find hard even with a lot of the financial work automated, is finding time to research more than one or two ideas per month, let alone keep up track of an existing portfolio of 10+ names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much time do you (Ernie and Jae both) generally spend researching an idea that you end up investing in, or get close but don&#8217;t pull the trigger (eg. you go through most/all of the process)?</p>
<p>Gathering the SEC filings (even is you use 10-K Wizard), reading the 3 shareholder letters, 3 MD&amp;A&#8217;s, and even a cursory scan of the notes scanning other filings &amp; sections for accounting changes, and an automated spreadsheet analysis of financials, proxies, other information sources&#8230; </p>
<p>What I find hard even with a lot of the financial work automated, is finding time to research more than one or two ideas per month, let alone keep up track of an existing portfolio of 10+ names.</p>
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		<title>By: PlanMaestro</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlanMaestro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 21:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jae, this is a very good series. I just wished I knew the ending of your learning path (!)

Ernie, thanks for sharing your checklist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jae, this is a very good series. I just wished I knew the ending of your learning path (!)</p>
<p>Ernie, thanks for sharing your checklist.</p>
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